with abortion. the country was a constructive accommodation on abortion, liberalizing the laws, the court yanked the subject of public discourse. let democracy take care of this, but on the other hand, they could say it's now safe to look at this because there's something like an emerging consensus. the opposition of gay marriage is dying. it's old people. >> that's true. but, at the same time, james carville, right now at least, split the difference position that george argued, 41 states still outlaw gay marriage. >> right. it depends on whether they're going to allow this to happen. his logic point is actually correct. the election just matters in profound ways, look at salt lake city, the mormon church after the election said, well, maybe we're going to change our position on homosexuality is a choice you're not born that way. the effects of the election reverberates all of the way through society. i can't believe that they took this up. the fact that they took it up, just tells me that they're going to uphold some of these. >> mary, not just the election, but the trend has been pretty clear